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Yup looks that way...

I can confirm, Feburay 9th. Until then teasers go out daily to the mailing list...

Ok have to talk teasers. First, they've been releasing some AWESOME artwork for the covers. Second, the books they've discussed thus far have been, 1) Game Book (doesn't look to be separated into Players/GMs, just all in one) and 2) and 3) Nations Book (all the Thean nations in in just two books). AND NOW THE AWESOMEST...

John Wick wrote:Now, you're probably asking, "If all the Nations are going to be in just two books, what other sourcebooks could you do?"

Oh, my friends, we have so much in store to show you. That includes Nations outside of Théah. Not just the Crescent Empire, no. The core book is just the beginning of a long and wide look at the entire world. Théah is just the beginning. We're going to see new cultures, meet new people, learn new traditions and broaden the scope of who is a hero in 7th Sea. In fact, our very first sourcebook...

I'm thinking of mortgaging the house to back this at the highest possible level ever...

Ok here's the art, I just can't resist

Are you sure your not just going to mortgage the house to try and buy the new art for your walls?

If this means Cathay & the Crescent Empire will be sufficiently nerfed beforehand, I'm all for it.

Rebecca Iavelli wrote:Are you sure your not just going to mortgage the house to try and buy the new art for your walls?

Wellll...
I did contact the artist to see if I could buy the originals, but they're digital so I asked for signed prints (will be way cheaper).

Here's Cover #3 The New World (as if the pic wasn't enough to give it away)

Free Quickstart rules are out.

EDIT: Apparently, TPTB wish they not be posted all over the internet, so in respect I need to remove the link.

Digging through the quickstart rules now.... just needed to post something no definite thoughts as of yet though the "raise" system.... hmmmm.

I skimmed through the new quickstart rules. My first impression is that it's going to be much harder for GMs:

. It's going to take more time for some players to organize their raises, especially with lots of dice.
All too many players count sums on their fingers, etc..

. The Death Spiral seems to be lots of record keeping for the GM and the players, especially for the latter
challenged by sums.

. Hero points are going to take lots of thought/time, especially for the numbers-challenged.

. If the GM checks up on the numbers and/or choices of his players (see above) that takes away from his
own ad lib time.

Just as various FATE mechanics add additional challenges for the GM with those Rules, similar mechanics offer similar challenges for 7th Sea GMs

Ok so for those who've skimmed, I have a mechanics question. Regarding the Raises. (and I only ask because I KNOW I'm going to be getting this question all the time)

It says you roll the dice and count each total of 10 as a Raise. So far fine. But lets say that I roll 10, 7, 5, 4, 2, 2. By number I have 30 so it seems like that would be 3 Raises. HOWEVER, If I am just putting dice together, I can do

10 (that's 1 Raise)
7+4 (that's a second)
and then the rest (5+2+2) is just tossed.

Really add them together however you want, you just can't shave off one point from one of the dice to make a 10 for the other

And just as I hit "Submit" John answered my question on FB. You don't "have 30" you make sets of 10 so there would only be 2 Raises in my example.

HOWEVER he added that you could throw in a Hero Point to get a bonus die after the roll.

(and here's the really cool idea)

Another player could also "aid" you by throwing in one of their own Hero Points thus giving you 3 bonus dice after the roll...

Black Jack Rackham wrote:HOWEVER he added that you could throw in a Hero Point to get a bonus die after the roll.

(and here's the really cool idea)

Another player could also "aid" you by throwing in one of their own Hero Points thus giving you 3 bonus dice after the roll...

FASTBALL SPECIAL!!!!

I've done some thinking over the pastfew days, and here are my thoughts, some of these things might very well change of course:

pros:
- The new dice rules are OK with me. you only need to add up to 10, and that's quicker than the old system, also you get to use your good rolls, not ignore them, because you would NEVER call out that many raises.

- No more Skills/knacks, and a cleaned up skill list - yes please!

- the "unique skill" bonus is a good idea, I'm not sure it entirely works, but we'll see.

- More general "action scene rules, accepting that all conflict can be dramatized.

- No dice rolls for brutes!

- the art is really nice.

- the hero points are OK, call them drama points instead

cons:
- explain to me why, nostalgia barred, we have to call "successes" "raises"?

- I don't like that we've lost that all stats are important in combat, I know there are good reasons for it, but I still liked it the other way. I particularly liked the divide between brawn and resolve in damage matters.

- I'm not sure on the consequence system.

- I don't like the advantages that allow you to remove someone from a scene "come hither" and "psst, over here".

- I really hope, swordsman schools (why is there only one swordsman in the scenario?) and sorceries are fleshed out more, and given advances.

more might follow

Woo, nice look at the kickstarter page (before it's opened).

Mike's telling me we can't shell out what they're asking for to make Muffin canon.

I agree with Nabu on alot of his points, on a side note i'm kinda bummed that 10's don't explode or give us another die to roll. That is one of the best parts of rolling the dice currently!

to say nothing of the money weve spent on dice with bombs on the tens.

WAIT! YOU ARE TELLING ME....THERE....ARE....DICE....WITH....BOMBS.....AS.....THE....TEN!>>!>!?!?!?! WHERE HAVE THESE BEEN MY WHOLE LIFE!?

smafdi wrote:I agree with Nabu on alot of his points, on a side note i'm kinda bummed that 10's don't explode or give us another die to roll. That is one of the best parts of rolling the dice currently!

http://johnwickpresents.com/games/7th-s ... start-faq/
Note post number two.

on another note, I REALLY like that taking DWs actually give you an advantage, that's well in theme I think.

smafdi wrote:WAIT! YOU ARE TELLING ME....THERE....ARE....DICE....WITH....BOMBS.....AS.....THE....TEN!>>!>!?!?!?! WHERE HAVE THESE BEEN MY WHOLE LIFE!?

I bought about 120 of them a few years back, and gave a bunch to my homegroup for christmas. I still have about 60. Ill give you a set at origins this year.

Ok. The second time through the proposed Rules:

1) It's not clear how the equivalent of Hero Points in 1.0 are utilized to create characters. What if I want three, four, or more Backgrounds? A Hero is in the mind of the beholder...

2) A big consideration in version 1.0: some players are more scene-grabby than others. Either the GM lets the chips fall where they may, or he helps/prompts those that need even a bit more of equal time. The new proposals in 2.0 just seem to give more grab to the grabby, and leave the less pushy/capable/numbers crunchy further and further behind.

3) the GM has to balance/determine a lot more mechanics than before. Frankly, many GMs cannot seem do this well overall now, and it's not so easy to do it well on-the-fly.

I think we need to know more nuts-and-bolts and less bells-and-whistles.

kenderleech wrote:I bought about 120 of them a few years back, and gave a bunch to my homegroup for christmas. I still have about 60. Ill give you a set at origins this year.

Thanks!

I am happy that there will be exploding dice again, even if it isn't by default, i assume it will be tied into your rank in a skill.

So, yeah. Funded in 7 minutes. I wonder if the number 7 is significant somehow...

We're just shy of $100,000.

I refuse to admit how high I pledged.

Now excuse me. I only have 6 months to prepare for my game with John Wick...

Seriously though, I'm sad that I didn't come back here immediately when I saw 2nd Ed happening. I would have had LOTS to say on the topic, but fortunately, you've all said most of it. I'm of mixed opinions on the new map, but obviously, it's not turning me off. I believe the original e-mail I received mentioned that Ussura isn't gonna have shapeshifters, and that made me sad, since Pyeryem was my bar-none favorite Sorcery. I LOVE the new art, especially the Porté image, because I never thought that the bleeding wet-meat-tearing imagery was sufficiently invoked in any of the games I played.

Oh look. John just sent out the cover and blurb for the Pirate Nations book...

Speaking of the map Jungen...

And for my two cents I love Love LOVE it! Left us room for Africa (which, lets be honest, should never have been left out).